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New rumor: Ray for Jamison, Butler 02.12.10 at 10:42 am ET
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UPDATE: Say this for the rumored trade between the Wizards and Celtics involving Ray Allen, Caron Butler and Antwan Jamison, it certainly got a lot of people talking.

Danny Ainge shot it down, telling the Globe that he has not talked with the Wizards. It also prompted Allen to post the following on Twitter: “I have no control over trade rumors people. Let’s just focus on being positive. I am a Celtic. Green all day.”

Washington Post beat man Michael Lee also took to Twitter to knock it down.

There is some thought that the rumor was put out there as a way to get other teams to sweeten their offers for Butler and Jamison. The Cavaliers, for example, have been rumored to be in pursuit of Jamison, but are said to be unwilling to part with second-year forward J.J. Hickson.

The following is the initial reaction to the rumor:

Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski offers up an intriguing trade rumor with the Celtics potentially dealing Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine and J.R. Giddens to the Wizards for Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison. If it happens the deal would fundamentally make over both teams.

Wojnarowski writes that “the trade isn’t imminent.” The Wizards have been talking with several teams, notably the Mavericks, about dealing Butler but this is the first scenario involving both Butler and Jamison.

Washington’s motivation is simple. The franchise is a mess in the wake of the Gilbert Arenas fiasco and it is loaded down with huge contracts for its veteran stars. Allen, Scalabrine and Giddens all have expiring contracts and a deal like this wouldn’t just be the first step in blowing it up and starting over, it would be the T.N.T. and the dynamite.

Butler is signed through next season at over $10 million and Jamison is signed through 2012 where he will make over $15 million. For the Celtics, a move like this would add significant money to the payroll, but it would also accomplish Danny Ainge’s stated goal of a trade that would help them win now and in the future. They would be getting two former All-Stars, and with Allen’s decline this season, the two best players in the deal.

It does raise some interesting scenarios, however, because Butler and Jamison play the same positions as Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett.

Butler’s career has read sort of like Pierce-lite and while he has played some 2-guard, he is not the same caliber of long-range shooter as Allen (Butler is a career 31 percent shooter from 3-point range). According to 82games.com, he has played 72 percent of his minutes at the small forward position this season. Jamison will turn 34 this summer, but he has been remarkably durable during his career, playing 82 games five times in his 12-year career.

Both players have shown versatility during their careers. Jamison came off the bench during his one season with the Mavericks in 2003-04 and wound up winning the Sixth Man of the Year award. He would obviously be a significant upgrade to the second unit if Garnett is healthy, and provide better Garnett insurance then Rasheed Wallace has been able to give.

If Butler can make the transition to playing alongside Pierce it would give the Celtics two rugged scorers and defenders on the wing. It’s worth noting that he has played alongside Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant at various points in his career.

Of all the rumors that have been presented, this one has the most realistic and interesting possibilities.

(Note: The preceding sentence was written before the denials started rolling in. The “realistic” part was a bad read on my part.)

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  • http://www.weei.com David

    If this trade were to happen (which I doubt), Pierce would presumably play the 2, with Butler starting at the 3. The front court off the bench could be Wallace, Jamison, and Davis with Daniels and House at the guard. Not bad if they mesh.

  • JJW

    Danny:

    I love Ray Allen and Scal, but can you get this deal done by the end of the day?

  • Mark

    Do it in a heartbeat. Then find a taker for Wallace, in the off-season if need be.

  • EJ

    I think you meant to say, Of all the rumors that have been presented, this one has the most interesting but LEAST realistic possibility.

    If all the Wizards wanted for Butler and Jamison was expirings, they’d be gone already. They obviously want some young assets as well. We don’t have any of those except Rondo (who we absolutely can’t trade), Perkins (who I don’t think we’re looking to trade), and arguably Davis (who I don’t think is worth that much but maybe other teams like him more). I think it would take at least Davis to get one of those guys (and if we’re bringing in Jamison, there’d be no need to have Davis anyway) and probably at least Davis and Perkins to get both.

  • voice of reason

    When i read all of this trade talk everybody is so willing to dump Davis, how soon people forget what this guy did last year when Garnett was out. He was one of the best players on the team. He rebounds, sets screens, plays defense everything wallace doesn’t do. Wallace seems to get a free pass here for whatever reason i don’t know but has anybody watched him play this year he is awful, a complete bust, yet nobody wants him gone, i don’t get it. The celts were better last year with no Garnett & Wallace can somebody explain that to me. If it wasn’t for davis the celts might have lost to Chicago, he played great in that series. Doc Rivers has done a awful job with this team. Wallace just shoots 3 pointers, and does nothing else. This guy is 6’10 and plays 25 ft. from the basket, why is that? So why does this happen every game with no ajustments? They should dump wallace now.

  • Mark

    voice of reason,

    you’re not alone, I want Wallace gone too. Failed experiment, bad signing, whatever, get rid of the guy.

  • Marc

    What a God send of a trade if this were to happen.

    Jamison and Butler with Rondo, Pierce and KG? This not only makes us significantly better but also hurts Cleveland as they want Jamison.

    Then if they can ship Rasheed to Charlotte (makes sense as he played at his best when he was with Larry Brown) and get that Augustin kid to back up Rondo, Celtics will be in prime position for a run at the title.

  • voice of reason

    When you listen to weei people don’t have a problem with this guy wallace, i don’t get it. This guy has done nothing except shoot 3 pointers and miss. Is it because the celts don’t want to admit this guy was a huge mistake. Don’t know, don’t care just get him out of here. Don’t care what they get for him, anybody is better then this stiff.
    My next question is why does Doc play him more then Baby when you get much more effort out of baby then wallace. What is sheldon Williams role on this team ? Is Bill Walker a mascot? Why not play these guys? They can lose to N.O. the same way the starters did.

  • Shawn Lovell

    Is there any way this deal can be done by the next game? If the C’s are concerned about money they won’t need to they get these two guys and the place will have people begging for tix. And at the time I was excited bout Wallace but he has been a bust trade him for Augustineand if he’s a F/A after this season sign him, we’ll have two young PG’s for a few season’s.

  • http://yahoo.com Mike Devine

    Three items:

    Trade as outlined s/b done in a heartbeat!!

    Danny would regain my respect if he adds “sheed”, the bust to this deal for Brendon Haywood.

    Package up Sheldon Williams and Marquis Daniels for a true b/u PG in DJ Augustine.

    Sheed can’t go fast enough and I believe the BBD returns to LY’s form.

  • Jason

    This team is imploding and Danny has managed to hamstring the team or morgage this season for next season’s free agency… Cs are one and done and screwed, either way they won’t be players in the fa market next year and they are too damn old to do anything this year. Good thing Rajon is coming out with a rap album, atleast the ‘future of the team’ as KG would say, is working on something… unfortunately its not a jump shot.

  • Tim

    Once again these anonymous reports prove to be B.S.

  • Tim

    jason: This team is imploding and Danny has managed to hamstring the team or morgage this season for next season’s free agency… Cs are one and done and screwed,
    ——————
    You’re an idiot. 2 years removed from a championship, last year they go 27-2, and now they lose some close games and they’re “Imploding and mortgaging the team for next year.” I’m guessing you’re not a Celtics fan, probably a fan of a team that the Celtics have owned the past couple years and you’re still bitter about it.

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