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Irish Coffee: Is Greg Oden pick Sam Bowie 2.0 or worse?

Posted By Ben Rohrbach On December 1, 2010 @ 11:18 am In General | No Comments

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Amid countless comparisons of Greg Oden [2] to Sam Bowie that surfaced after another season-ending Oden injury, I got to thinking: Is Oden’s draft selection over Kevin Durant [3] worse than the biggest “what if” in NBA history — picking Bowie over Michael Jordan [4]?

As the Celtics welcome the Trail Blazers to Boston on Wednesday night, it’s as good a time as any to determine — through three seasons — which Portland pick was more unfortunate.

First, let’s take a look at Oden and Bowie’s averages through their first three seasons:

Greg Oden vs. Sam Bowie
82 ….. GAMES ….. 119
9.4 ….. POINTS ….. 10.8
7.3 … REBOUNDS … 8.5
1.4 ….. BLOCKS ….. 2.6
0.6 …. ASSISTS …. 2.7
0.4 ….. STEALS ….. 0.7

Bowie played one more partial season (20 games) for the Blazers before playing at least 60 games per season in six of the next seven year for the Nets [5] and Lakers. He actually averaged a double-double (14.7 points, 10.1 boards) during his first season in New Jersey.

There’s serious doubt whether Oden will ever suit up for the Blazers again, as he hasn’t played since December 2009 and becomes a restricted free agent at the end of the season.

And now let’s examine Durant and Jordan’s averages through their first three seasons:

Kevin Durant vs. Michael Jordan
236 ….. GAMES ….. 182
25.3 ….. POINTS ….. 31.7
6.2 … REBOUNDS … 5.7
2.7 …. ASSISTS …. 5.0
1.2 ….. STEALS ….. 2.6
09 ….. BLOCKS ….. 1.2

The only solace Portland fans can take from all of this is that, while Oden may be a bigger bust (medically) than Bowie, Durant also isn’t as good as Jordan. Have you looked back lately at Jordan’s statistics in just his third season? He averaged a ridiculous 37.1 points, 5.2 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 2.9 steals and 1.5 blocks per game.

On one hand, there’s no doubt the Blazers would’ve won the NBA title in 1992 had they drafted Jordan, since they lost to his Bulls in the Finals, 4-2. And they might’ve hung a couple more banners around that one. On the other hand, the present-day Blazers would be championship contenders for the next 10 years with Durant.

Either way you slice it, the knife still cuts deep through the heart of Portland.

CELTICS ROCK CLEVELAND

Well, for one final week for what will likely be a fairly long time, Cleveland is the center of the NBA universe. The discussion ranged from the Cavaliers [6]‘ rematch against the Celtics on Tuesday night to the return of LeBron James [7] on Thursday night.

Let’s start with the rematch, which turned into a 106-87 Celtics vengeance victory against the Cavaliers (after we explained why the C’s would cover the seven-point spread, please send 25 percent of your winnings to the WEEI offices in Brighton).

Cavaliers head coach Byron Scott, who called the Celtics [8] “a great basketball team,” explained how his disdain for Boston has evolved since Doc Rivers [9] took over the helm:

”No matter what team I’m coaching, we match up against Boston and there’s a little extra incentive for me,” Scott told the Akron Beacon Journal [10]. ”All of that is because of the ’80s. It was fun, but it’s a little different now because Doc is over there. You have a good friend on the other side, it kind of waters it down a little bit. But anytime I see that green and white, I want to beat them.”

Cleveland Plain Dealer columnist Bill Livingston compared the Heat’s Three Amigos to the Celtics’ Big Three, and the contrast was none too kind [11]:

For his part, James could have stayed here and been beloved, or he could have gone to New York, the nation’s media capital, or Chicago, the best basketball fit. Instead, he went to Miami, where he would not have to be a leader anymore.

The Boston Big Three, however, stood squarely in the shadows of the Larry Bird [12]-Kevin McHale [13]-Robert Parish [14] triumvirate of the 1980s. They played beneath 16 championship banners hanging from the rafters. And they promptly won a 17th.

They were old and tired of losing. The Heat’s newcomers are young and used to babying.

In hopes of capturing similar remarks from Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert [15] — especially after his emotional letter [16] following LeBron’s “Decision” — the Cleveland media sought comment:

”You don’t want to see anything stupid happen,” Gilbert told the Akron Beacon Journal. ”I’m sure a lot of them will make their feelings known, but as long as everybody plays by the rules and doesn’t go over the top, I think everything will be fine. I really believe that Cleveland people will do the right thing.”

Meanwhile, even while LeBron is trying to say all the right things, he still manages to sound pretty disingenuous (note the “showcase my talent” line):

“I think it’s going to be very emotional for myself,” James said [17]. “I’ve got a lot of great memories in that city. So many times, from ups and downs, and a lot of things that I’ve done in my life, I give a lot of thanks to that city, lot of thanks to those fans for giving me the opportunity to not only showcase my talent but grow from a young boy to a man.”

Considering Shaquille O’Neal [18] played with LeBron in Cleveland and has had plenty of homecomings himself — in Orlando, Los Angeles, Phoenix and Cleveland — reporters asked him if he’d be watching on Thursday night:

”My situation in Orlando was a six, my situation in LA was a seven,” O’Neal told the Akron Beacon Journal [19]. ”This is like a 12.”

“I’m a silly fan,” O’Neal told the Cleveland Plain Dealer [20]. “I’m anxious to see if he’s going to do that powder thing,” referring to when James fills his hands with powdered white rosin and tosses it in the air before the game.

Great point by Shaq. There’s no way he does “that powder thing” before the game, right?

DELONTE WEST’S TIMETABLE

I read about 87 stories about Delonte West‘s successful wrist surgery yesterday, and all of them said the team had no timetable for his return, which is why I was surprised to read this [20] in the Cleveland Plain Dealer on Wednesday morning:

“We don’t know his timetable [to return] yet,” Boston coach Doc Rivers said. “I’ve heard anywhere from two to three months or longer.

“That’s a tough one for us. That hurt us. My plan going into the year was to literally have two units — a starting unit and a second unit — because of the age of our team. But now we have to scrap those plans and some of our starters are going to have to play different minutes.

“It’s not what we wanted, but the season takes its own turns and you just have to adjust to them.”

Two months? That would mean a Feb. 1 return date — leaving plenty of time for West to rehab his way to health heading into the playoffs. That’s not nearly as bad as I thought.

TYSON CHANDLER [21] BACKS KEVIN GARNETT [22]

Count Dallas Mavericks [23] center Tyson Chandler among the NBA players on Kevin Garnett‘s side [24] in the whole Charlie Villanueva [25] “cancer patient” saga. He explained how easy it is to get caught up in trash talking to Sports Illustrated’s Ian Thompsen:

“I love [Garnett], I love what he does. I look at it this way: He gives you his heart and soul every single night out there, and if it takes him to pump himself up and do whatever he has to do, I’ll take that rather than him collecting a check and not giving you a great effort. That’s the other side of it — the guys you feel like are not giving you as much as they can. So I’ll take him screaming and talking and pumping his chest and doing whatever it takes you to do to give what you got. I’ve admired him and looked up to him before my career started.”

You wonder how many NBA players feel the way Chandler does about Kevin Garnett and how many players feel the way Joakim Noah does [26] about him.

WILL BRANDON ROY [27] PLAY?

Celtics fans have already missed Durant and John Wall [28] at the Garden this season. Will they also miss another NBA star when Brandon Roy‘s Blazers come to town Wednesday night?

According to the Oregonian [29], even after playing 33 minutes in a loss to the 76ers on Tuesday night, Roy expects to suit up for the Trail Blazers agains the Celtics:

Roy said he expects to play Wednesday against Boston. It would be his first back-to-back games since returning to play with a sore left knee.

However, Celtics fans might be robbed of the only opportunity to see Joel Przybilla [30]. A tragedy, I know.

(Have a question, concern or conception for tomorrow’€™s Irish Coffee? Send a message to @brohrbach [31] on Twitter.)


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URLs in this post:

[1] Celtics: http://media.weei.com/basketball/boston-celtics.htm

[2] Greg Oden: http://media.weei.com/basketball/greg-oden.htm

[3] Kevin Durant: http://media.weei.com/basketball/kevin-durant.htm

[4] Michael Jordan: http://media.weei.com/basketball/michael-jordan.htm

[5] the Nets: http://media.weei.com/basketball/new-jersey-nets.htm

[6] Cavaliers: http://media.weei.com/basketball/cleveland-cavaliers.htm

[7] LeBron James: http://media.weei.com/basketball/lebron-james.htm

[8] called the Celtics: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/11/boston_celtics_outmuscle_outwo.html

[9] Doc Rivers: http://media.weei.com/basketball/doc-rivers.htm

[10] told the Akron Beacon Journal: http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/111091654.html

[11] the contrast was none too kind: http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2010/11/boston_celtics_are_old_school.html

[12] Larry Bird: http://media.weei.com/basketball/larry-bird.htm

[13] Kevin McHale: http://media.weei.com/basketball/kevin-mchale.htm

[14] Robert Parish: http://media.weei.com/basketball/robert-parish.htm

[15] Dan Gilbert: http://media.weei.com/basketball/dan-gilbert-cavs.htm

[16] his emotional letter: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/08/dan-gilbert-letter-lebron_n_640318.html

[17] said: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=12277194

[18] Shaquille O’Neal: http://media.weei.com/basketball/shaquille-oneal.htm

[19] told the Akron Beacon Journal: http://cavs.ohio.com/2010/11/shaq-awaiting-lebrons-dust-up/

[20] told the Cleveland Plain Dealer: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/11/silly_fan_shaq_as_curious_as_a.html

[21] TYSON CHANDLER: http://media.weei.com/basketball/tyson-chandler.htm

[22] KEVIN GARNETT: http://media.weei.com/basketball/kevin-garnett.htm

[23] Dallas Mavericks: http://media.weei.com/basketball/dallas-mavericks.htm

[24] on Kevin Garnett‘s side: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/11/30/tyson.chandler.news/

[25] Charlie Villanueva: http://media.weei.com/basketball/charlie-villanueva.htm

[26] the way Joakim Noah does: http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5789761

[27] BRANDON ROY: http://media.weei.com/basketball/brandon-roy.htm

[28] John Wall: http://media.weei.com/basketball/john-wall.htm

[29] According to the Oregonian: http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/11/philadelphia_88_portland_79_bl.html

[30] Joel Przybilla: http://media.weei.com/basketball/joel-przybilla.htm

[31] @brohrbach: http://twitter.com/brohrbach

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