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Where does Paul Pierce rank among Celtics greats? 02.06.12 at 9:06 am ET
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On the verge of surpassing Larry Bird for second on the Celtics career scoring list, Paul Pierce only further cements his status as one of the storied franchise’s all-time greats — his No. 34 already reserved in the rafters.

How far Pierce climbs that ladder remains to be seen. Even when he surpasses Larry Legend’s 21,791 career total with 10 more points, it’s hard to argue Pierce soars past Bird, but where does he rank if he retired today?

“It’s nothing I ever really think about,” said Pierce. “I never go into the season trying to break records. They’re going to happen if they happen. Just to be mentioned among the great Celtics of the past is just an honor.”

As soon as seven years ago — in the aftermath of Pierce’s infamous jersey-swinging, head-wrapping ejection from Game 6 of a playoff series — this thought seemed utterly insane: The Truth is one of the top five C’s in history.

Still don’t believe it? Just examine the resumes of the best quintet ever to call the Garden home.

TOP FIVE CELTICS IN HISTORY
(top-10 team ranks in parentheses)

1. BILL RUSSELL

  • Celtics career: 13 seasons; 963 games (5th); 40,726 minutes (2nd)
  • Celtics stats: 14,522 points (8th); 21,620 rebounds (1st); 4,100 assists (4th)
  • C’s averages: 15.1 points, 22.5 rebounds, 4.3 assists
  • Percentages: 44.0 FG%, 56.1 FT%
  • Credentials: 11 NBA titles; 5 MVP trophies (11 top-5 finishes); 12 All-Star Games (1963 MVP); 11 All-NBA selections (3 First Team); 5 rebounding titles (13 top-5 finishes)

2. LARRY BIRD

  • Celtics career: 13 seasons; 897 games (8th); 34,443 minutes (5th)
  • Celtics stats: 21,791 points (2nd); 8,974 rebounds (4th); 5,695 assists (3rd)
  • C’s averages: 24.3 points, 10.0 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 1.7 steals
  • Percentages: 49.6 FG%, 37.6 3P%, 88.6 FT%
  • Credentials: 3 NBA titles (2 Finals MVP); 3 MVP trophies (9 top-5 finishes); 1979-80 Rookie of the Year; 12 All-Star Games (1982 MVP); 10 All-NBA selections (9 First Team); 3 All-Defensive nods

3. JOHN HAVLICEK

  • Celtics career: 16 seasons; 1,270 games (1st); 46,471 minutes (1st)
  • Celtics stats: 26,395 points (1st); 8,007 rebounds (5th); 6,114 assists (2nd)
  • C’s averages: 20.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, 4.8 assists
  • Percentages: 43.9 FG%, 81.5 FT%
  • Credentials: 8 NBA titles (1974 Finals MVP); 0 MVP trophies (2 top-5 finishes); 13 All-Star Games; 11 All-NBA selections (4 First Team); 8 All-Defensive selections (5 First Team)

4. PAUL PIERCE

  • Celtics career: 14 seasons; 984 games (3rd); 36,380 minutes (3rd)
  • Celtics stats: 21,782 points (3rd); 5,957 rebounds (7th); 3,771 assists (5th)
  • C’s averages: 22.1 points, 6.1 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.5 steals
  • Percentages: 44.8 FG%, 37.0 3P%, 80.6 FT%
  • Credentials: 1 NBA title (2008 Finals MVP); 0 MVP trophies; 9 All-Star Games; 4 All-NBA selections

5. BOB COUSY

  • Celtics career: 13 seasons; 917 games (6th); 30,131 minutes (6th)
  • Celtics stats: 16,955 points (6th); 4,781 rebounds; 6,945 assists (1st)
  • C’s averages: 18.5 points, 7.6 assists, 5.2 rebounds
  • Percentages: 37.5 FG%, 80.3 FT%
  • Credentials: 6 NBA titles; 1 MVP trophy (4 top-5 finishes); 13 All-Star Games (1954 & 1957 MVP); 12 All-NBA selections (10 First Team); 8 assist titles (13 top-5 finishes); innovated the point guard position

THE CASE FOR PAUL PIERCE AS THE FOURTH-GREATEST PLAYER IN CELTICS HISTORY

If Paul Pierce finishes his career in Boston, he could pass John Havlicek for No. 1 on the team's all-time scoring list. (AP)

This fact alone warrants top-five consideration: An argument can be made that Pierce is the greatest scorer in Celtics history. Just ask Tommy Heinsohn, who once said, “Havlicek might be a better player because of his defense, or Bird because of his passing, but Paul Pierce is the best scorer the Celtics have ever had.”

While Pierce still needs more than 4,000 points to surpass Havlicek — who played more games than anyone in franchise history — The Truth ranks second behind Bird in points per game while maintaining a higher true shooting percentage than Larry Legend. Believe it or not, Pierce has already made almost 1,000 more career 3-pointers than Bird and gotten to the free throw line more than anybody in team history.

And Pierce isn’t just a scorer. Only five players rank among the top 10 Celtics in career points, rebounds and assists. Pierce is one of them (Russell, Bird, Havlicek and Dave Cowens are the others). In terms of advanced statistics, three players rank among the top five Celtics in both player efficiency rating and win shares: Bird, Pierce and Robert Parish, who was never better than the third best player on his own Celtics team.

While the franchise owns 17 NBA titles, only four Celtics have been the best player on a championship team: Russell (11 times), Bird (thrice), Havlicek (twice) and Pierce (once). As his Usage Rate (27.8%) suggests, Pierce was forced to assume a greater offensive load than any of the other three. Prior to the arrival of Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, Pierce played nine seasons without anyone close to a Hall of Famer. Russell and Havlicek each played with 11 separate HOFers, and Bird played with seven. Still, Pierce reached Game 6 of the 2002 Eastern Conference finals with a starting lineup of Antoine Walker, Kenny Anderson, Tony Battie and Eric Williams.

There are those who would argue Pierce’s scoring numbers benefited from the absence of talented teammates, but look at how much more efficient he’s become since Garnett and Allen’s arrival. He averaged 23.7 points on 17.7 field goals per game from 1998-2007 — and 19.3 points on only 13.4 shots per contest since. In fact, the case could be made Pierce would rank higher than fourth on this list had he played with KG and Allen earlier.

HOW FAR CAN PAUL PIERCE CLIMB ON THE LIST OF GREATEST CELTICS?

Where does Pierce’s Celtics career go from here? A report circulated earlier this season that teams have expressed interest in trading for Pierce, and team president Danny Ainge confirmed he would be unafraid to trade Pierce (or anyone else for that matter) if the right deal came around. For the sake of argument, though, let’s assume Pierce finishes his career in Boston (the most likely scenario anyhow).

Pierce is 34 years old and has two years remaining on his existing contract. Prior to this year, he claimed he wanted to last longer than Allen, who he expects to play five more seasons. If that’s the case, The Truth could surpass Havlicek as the team’s all-time leading scorer, eclipse Russell for fourth on the team’s assist list and approach Hondo for fifth among Celtics rebounders. Another NBA championship wouldn’t hurt, either.

“I don’t really worry about records,” said Pierce. “The chips are going to fall where they may. I’ve been fortunate to be a Celtic for all these years, so I’ve been put in the position to do these things. Barring my health, with a little bit of luck and a little bit of skill, I’ve been able to get to these places.”

Still, even if he becomes the C’s highest scorer, Pierce probably wouldn’t approach Havlicek for third on this list, considering Hondo still owns seven more rings. The current captain might just have to settle for being the fourth-greatest Celtics player in franchise history, and who would have been crazy enough to say that five years ago?

HONORABLE MENTIONS: These are the next five greatest Celtics in history (alphabetical order). Notice Pierce didn’t play with any other members of the top 10. Everybody else on this list played with at least two others.

DAVE COWENS

  • Celtics career: 10 seasons; 726 games; 28,551 minutes (8th)
  • Celtics stats: 13,192 points (9th); 10,170 rebounds (3rd); 2,828 assists (9th)
  • C’s averages: 18.2 points, 14.0 rebounds, 3.9 assists
  • Percentages: 46.0 FG%, 78.3 FT%
  • Credentials: 2 NBA titles; 1 MVP trophy (4 top-5 finishes); 7 All-Star Games; 3 All-NBA selections; 3 All-Defensive selections (1 First Team)

TOMMY HEINSOHN

  • Celtics career: 9 seasons; 654 games; 12,194 minutes
  • Celtics stats: 12,194 points; 5,749 rebounds (9th); 1,318 assists
  • C’s averages: 18.6 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.0 assists
  • Percentages: 40.5 FG%, 79.0 FT%
  • Credentials: 8 NBA titles; 0 MVP trophies; 1956-57 Rookie of the Year; 6 All-Star Games; 4 All-NBA nods

SAM JONES

  • Celtics career: 12 seasons; 871 games (10th); 24,285 minutes (10th)
  • Celtics stats: 15,411 points (7th); 4,305 rebounds; 2,209 assists
  • C’s averages: 17.7 points, 4.9 rebounds, 2.1 assists
  • Percentages: 45.6 FG%, 80.3 FT%
  • Credentials: 10 NBA titles; 0 MVP trophies (2 top-5 finishes); 5 All-Star Games; 3 All-NBA selections

KEVIN MCHALE

  • Celtics career: 13 seasons; 971 games (4th); 30,118 minutes (7th)
  • Celtics stats: 17,335 points (5th); 7,122 rebounds (6th); 1,670 assists
  • C’s averages: 17.9 points, 7.3 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.7 blocks
  • Percentages: 55.4 FG%, 79.8 FT%
  • Credentials: 3 NBA titles; 0 MVP trophies (1 top-5 finish); 2 Sixth Man of the Year awards; 7 All-Star Games; 1 All-NBA selection (First Team); 6 All-Defensive selections (3 First Team); 2 FG% titles (3 top-5 finishes)

ROBERT PARISH

  • Celtics career: 14 seasons; 1,106 games (2nd); 34,977 minutes (4th)
  • Celtics stats: 18,245 points (4th); 11,051 rebounds (2nd); 1,679 assists
  • C’s averages: 16.5 points, 10.0 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.5 blocks
  • Percentages: 53.7 FG%, 72.1 FT%
  • Credentials: 3 NBA titles; 0 MVP trophies (1 top-5 finish); 9 NBA All-Star Games; 2 All-NBA selections
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  • C5bubblechaser

    Another trial player. One year and gone. I’m sure chiarelli knows someone else wants him so they’ll groom him and double thier investment

  • Michaelpatnaude

    Just on opportunity to sport a Chiefs sweater with the name Hanson on the back. Who knows what Chiarelli is thinking. I’d hate to lose out on 600k in Boston, and only make 100k in Providence.

  • Colby010

    Still in need of a veteran.  Need a right wing and left wing first liner.  Horton iffy, and heard thru the grapevine that neely was going to move lucic to third line?  Need help there big time

  • Thor13607

    YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING.WHAT A WASTE!

  • Diane S

    How does this help anything? Don’t theyhave better talent in Providence?

  • Bob W

    6 ft 4 in 228 pounds…? He better hit every body in sight and score 25 goals!

  • jetblackngold

    @RedSx799 Chara & McQuaid are the only two defensively sound D-men on the B’s. They can use a bonafide top 2 defenseman.

    I really hope they can pull off a Krejci for Yandle move (straight up), but I’m not sure what his cap hit is and i highly doubt PHX would go for that.

    • Lukey D

      seidenberg?

    • Kylew81

      Seidenberg and Ference are both better than McQuaid defensively.

      • Mcgannon44

         McQuaid is most underrated D-man in NHL.  B’s crapped the bed in playoffs w/out him.

  • 68joesplumbing

    Keep dk see if you can get a coach for the pp that doesn’t think defence first that’s why he saw limited time on pp Hamilton might be that d-man we need don’t try and rite a ship that’s not sinking management needs to look at how the pp is run before we start saying certain players will make it better

  • 68joesplumbing

    Oops meant ts saw limited time on pp its the assistant coach ward who runs the pp ts wasn’t taking care of his deffencive responsiblities thats why limited him

  • Tonyelia4

    NO—NO—NO–NO—NO—NO

  • Williamwhalen82

    Bruins need a winger…… PERIOD. The D is fine the way it is, especially with the top D prospect in the world expected to crack the top six. Bobby Ryan please.

  • Deano42

    This trade makes no sense for the Bruins as they are currently constituted. The Bruins defense is fine, and they need more offensive help rather than less. Unless they are going to move one of their defenseman for a winger then I would not make this deal. 

    I think the Bruins need to focus on moving Tim Thomas to clear some cap space. WPG had statically the worst goaltender int he NHL, in Andrej Pavelec, he then was arrested for a DUI this spring. WPG has no other goalie on the roster, they have almost 20 million in cap room. They could use Tim Thomas more than any other team in the league and we should be able to get a healthy return from them.

    Bruins need a power winger with goal scoring ability desperately. If they had more cap room they could go after Evander Kane who is a RFA and still unsigned. He is supposedly going to get Phil Kessel money so why don’t the bruins pull a Phil Kessel and send him an offer sheet? I would absolutely give up draft picks for Evander Kane. 

  • SSSKKKALALAL

    nash isnt really statistically better than marchand… and he is unproven to be able to work in the julien system like marchand. for ther ecord i hate the julien system and despise this GD extension of him!

  • Karl K.

    Hate to say this but the Rangers didn’t give up much of anything for Nash.

  • mg

    Jeremy needs hay for his stable. The pink hats will make him more money than some better than average scorer.

  • Bluasylum

    Christians can have an opiniom. But so can Hindus, Protestants, Jews, Pagans, Atheists, and anyone else who may or may not identify with a religion. We live in a country that supports freedom of religion, and yet it’s ONE religion that seems to rule us all. We live in a country where there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, but ONE religion continuously sticks it’s nose into state affairs. If you, as a Christian, are allowed to have an opinion then I, whatever religion I may identify with and who happens to be the successful daughter of two lesbians, have a right to my own and your opinion SHOULD NOT affect how I or my loved ones choose to love. If Tim Thomas supports Chik-fil-a, fine. He’ll lose a lot of respect, personally. That doesn’t take away from his amazing career, achievements, or what he’s done for the Bruins. Do not lecture the world on how Christians “can’t have an opinion” when you belong to a religion who believes their opinion is the only one that matters.

    • EZ

      First off, the reason we can have so many
      “religious opinions” in this country occupied by ~ 85% who identify
      as Christian (Protestants are Christians BTW) is because of (not in spite of)
      the fact that it was founded by Christians on Christian morals and values. Try
      educating yourself by reading the Declaration of Independence and the
      Bill of Rights /Constitution…it’s all based on the Bible…not the Koran or
      some secular moral code.
      Secondly, please let me know when you come across the phrase “Separation
      of Church and State” in any of those documents because it will be news
      worthy since it’s not there. The intent was to simply insure the Fed Gov would not adopt a particular church or religion as was done in
      England, and/or impose it’s own secular morals on the people as the current
      administration is now doing with HHS mandate. So it’s the opposite; the state sticking it’s nose into church affairs. For 2012 years people like you have contradicted
      the Bible /Word of God and tried to silence courageous Christians like
      Tim Thomas from speaking it as Christ himself commissioned them to do. Get this,they are
      not speaking on their own behalf…it’s not their opinion vs yours; it’s the Word
      of God and therefore the truth on the subject and the truth is all that matters. The problem you all have had is with the truth,
      because by its very definition, truth is exclusive. So yes…there can be many
      opinions…but there can only be one truth. And there is only one biblically
      authorized interpreter of that truth…the church. Not Tim Thomas and not you and
      me. Many people don’t like either because they want to bend the truth to accommodate
      their lifestyle, many Christians included. Ask yourself this…what are the chances 2012 later that you
      are right in your beliefs and Jesus, who said “I ‘am the way and the truth
      and the life”, is wrong.  I don’t think Vegas would give you very good odds on either.
      As a fellow sinner…I’ll pray you figure it out.  

       

      • Joel

        You know the Bible was written by men right ? You know it was also edited by men, around 408 A.C. So let’s be clear : even if God exist and know all the answers, there is no way to be sure that the message has not been corrupted along the way by the people who receive it. In fact, it is even more likely that the message has been tweaked to fit the ideals of men who lived about 2000 years ago. So stop saying the Bible possess the truth. The Bible is a book written by men 2000 years ago

        • EZ

          You raise some very good points. Let’s answer
          them logically using your “assuming there is a God” approach and further assume
          -as the Bible tells us- that He is a Spirit not constrained by anything. So He
          revealed Himself and his plan for our salvation (i.e. Revelation) in 6 phases
          that included speaking directly (e.g. Abraham,Moses) and through the prophets
          prior to birth of Christ whose death marked the end of Revelation and the fulfillment
          of prophecy. Is it logical that God would after all that, then let some
          fallible men write His Sacred Word without any guidance from His Holy Spirit as
          to what He wanted written; and then have His son commission the Apostles to go
          teach that to the world ??? God Himself therefore is the author of all
          Scripture inspiring the men who wrote it in truth, because God is truth. You
          are incorrect to state that the Bible was “edited” around 408 AD. The Bible is
          the most researched book in history and the discovery/existence of original
          writings collaborates the accuracy/consistency over the ages of it’s content.
          The men you are accusing of “tweaking” the Bible 2000 years ago would be 6 of
          the Apostles and 2 immediate disciples of Jesus since they are the 8 co-authors
          of the New Testament. They each wrote their own books in the 2nd
          half of the 1st century, putting into writing what Jesus Himself
          taught them. In 382 after the Roman persecution ended, the Catholic Church was
          then free to consolidate (not edit) these books into the New Testament, which
          were being used in different churches throughout Christendom. Any books not
          directly attributable to Apostolic teaching (i.e. tweaked) were not allowed by
          the Magisterium/teaching authority of the Church. You are absolutely correct
          when you say the message has been corrupted along the way, but not by the men
          who wrote it 2000 years ago. That truth has been taught by one Church without
          error or change through an unbroken apostolic tradition since. The tweaking
          started in 1,500 years later and now you have ~ 40,000 different denominations
          of Christianity who all believe fervently that they are interpreting God’s Word
          correctly in order to fit their ideals/lifestyles. The only problem they have
          is that they have no Biblical authority to do so and so you have confusion and
          chaos with His Message. Do you logically think God is the author of that
          confusion ??? One God…one truth…one authority to interpret it.

           

          • Youredumb

            So King James didn’t revise this book at all? Also, why were SOME books chosen to be included and others not? Why wasn’t the book of Judas Iscariot included? He wrote one…

          • EZ

            The King James Bible is merely a
            translation from Greek to English in the 1600’s overseen by reputable church
            authority…Anglican I believe. Any “editing” could be easily proved by
            cross-referencing it to the original Greek/Hebrew manuscripts and I have never
            heard of any such claims against that version. Only minor spelling and grammar changes
            since then… the 1611 version is probably the best if this concerns you.

             

            Please don’t believe everything you read in the
            papers or what’s on TV because they are in the business of ratings/money making
            The National Geographic promotion of the “Gospel of Judas”
            manuscript as an authentic early Christian document is widely recognized as an
            unscholarly attempt to discredit Christianity which doesn’t stand up to
            scientific muster (carbon dated to late 2nd century at the earliest)
            or logic (It would be a pretty good trick for Judas to have written this since
            he hung himself the day of the Christ’s crucifixion). The “Gospel of
            Judas” reflects Gnostic polytheistic teaching, which is why it was labeled
            as heretical by early church leaders. Gnostics were one of the early splinter
            groups that tried to highjack true Christianity. As stated previously, if it
            could not be traced directly to the Apostles themselves it was not included in
            the bible. 

      • Mouse
    • Dan

      Protestants are Christians, last I checked. 

  • Phatcity1

    What does “You Can Play” have ANYTHING to do with someone’s personal opinion about gay marriage?
    You people are idiots.

    • Guest

      “You Can Play” is a movement to promote awareness and acceptance of gay athletes. By stating a personal opinion against gay marriage, Thomas has implied that he is also against equal rights for gays. And if he is against equal rights for gays, it is logical that he would not accept a gay teammate. If you have not made that logical leap, you are the idiot.

      • ILoveHockey

        if you read my previous comments you will know that I am not against Gay Marriage, but I also don’t think because he is against gay marriage he is against gay people or wouldn’t accept a gay teammate- I don’t tthink the 2 agruements are the same- some people have no problem with gay people but would rather see their legal relationship refered to as a civil union.

  • Xander Bogaerts

    The most amusing part is that Tim Thomas thinks anyone cares what his beliefs are on this subject. Talk about an ego. No wonder this guy never got a shot until in his 30s. Not such a feelgood story now since his true colors have come out.

    • Grubert33

      because he doesnt tote the liberal loser line? you are an idiot

      • Dolan

        I liek more dumb coment pls

      • Guest

        *He* is an idiot? You seem to be the one misusing a very common expression. Idiot.

  • Bestbostonstrippers

    I don’t agree but its a free country and Facebook has a delete button if you don’t like it don’t friend him. Important part of all of this is freedom of speech.

  • Grubert33

    That’s Tim Thomas’ decision. I can’t stand how the liberal losers love freedom of expression unless they disagree with it. What Hypocrites!!!! I totally agree with Tim and Chick-fil-A. Liberals can kiss my you know what.

    • CamNeely

      Do you like soup?

    • Guest

      The Chick-Fil-A president has every right to express his opinion. As does Tim Thomas. Accordingly, I have the right to think they are both wrong, and say so.

      And, sorry, I don’t know what you want liberals to kiss.

  • http://twitter.com/FarmGirlShelley Shelley Tucker

    and your article flies in the face of all kinds of freedoms that we are supposed to be allowed to have in this country

  • http://twitter.com/FarmGirlShelley Shelley Tucker

    oh wait I forgot you are allowed to believe in anything you want… freedom of religion, but if you believe in the bible forget it you will be harassed and ridiculed and mistreated. tolerance means we tolerate anything but the bible believers. you HYPOCRITS

    • Guest

      Once again, I would like to remind you vocal “Christians” that you are the majority in this country. Please stop trying to make others believe that you are being persecuted for your beliefs.

    • Wildsider

      I do not think freedom to Discriminate is a protected Freedom. Funny thing is if these were Muslims saying anything so high profile it would be OK to condem them for their belief. If you truly supported freedom amongst EVERYONE including your own freedom to religion then you would agree gay NON Christians and Muslims should be allowed to be married. If they do not belong to a faith that condems it, then it would be their Freedom to partake in marriage. Just because your religion does not condone it, does not give you the right to push it upon others.

    • Fred Graham

      This is not about opinions or religious beliefs. The reason that Chick-fil-a’s stance (and by proxt Tim Thomas’s) is so offensive is that they donate millions of dollars every year to fund ballot initiatives and propaganda campaigns that seek to limit the civil rights of homosexual citizens. It is the definition of discrimination and bigotry. It wouldn’t be a freedom of speech issue if I campaigned to take the vote away from baptists. It isn’t a free speech issue when you try to take away the rights of a minority group. It’s persecution.

  • Jspina1982

    I can’t believe people are so sensitive about a stupid fb post. Our society is insane. Who cares what Thomas thinks. Btw thanks for the cup

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=789737602 John Curtin

    Oh you poor, persecuted Christians!  When will the madness stop?!?  When will you finally be allowed to practice your religion out in the open?

    Get over yourselves.  No one has denied anyone their right to free speech.  But there’s no right to not be called out on your BS if people don’t agree with you.  I couldn’t care less how Tim Thomas feels about the issue, nor Dan Cathy, for that matter.

  • http://twitter.com/kreider65 Blanche Starbong

    Bye, Timmy. Thanks for the one great season.

    • DAn

      Says the person who watched hockey starting exactly a year and two months ago.

  • Steve_in_MA

    What matters is that he’s made his viewpoint very clear.  He doesn’t support equal rights for everyone.  He supports “privatized” bigotry.  That is his God-given and Constitutional right.  But it doesn’t mean that I’m not entitled to disparage him for it, just like it was my right to oppose and fight against racists. He’s just the next permutation of idiocy.  He and those of his ilk are headed for the dustbin of history, and I’m happy to give each of them a nice fat push toward their destiny.

  • Titletown1

    To the author:

    You sir, are an idiot. What does a position on gay marriage have to do with “encouraging a safe environment for a homosexual NHL player to come out to the league?”

    It is shallow writers such as you, who somehow conflate supporting traditional marriage with hatred toward gays.

    Please stick to hockey; you obviously have a hard time with more complex issues.

    Stupid is as stupid posts.

  • K31011

    Weei is really becoming a joke this is sports news and worthy of a story. After giving up on the broadcasts during the day its time to find another website for new england sports this is just crap ,grow and stop being tmz.

  • notspot

    Go away Timmy. Nobody really cares what you think.

  • Lucyslumpyhead

    He’s a dumb jock…who cares what he says?

    • Dan

      You.  You posted on this thread and joined the discussion.

  • soooorrryimthecanadian

    Dear commenters of this article,  YOU”RE ALL AS RIDICULOUS AS THOMAS. We live in the 21st century people, ONE religion is not the way the world is run anymore. Too many believers of too many religions have shifted the constitution and the way of rights. EVERYONE has a right to live their lives and be who they want to be and be with. If a man and a man or a women and a women want to be married, it is their right. Just as it is for a man and a women to be married. Stop being so one minded and start living in the now. The world would be such a better place if we all accepted people for who they are not what religion they believe in.

  • Concerned American

    I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you couldn’t have an opinion anymore.  We are quickly becoming a “you can have your own opinion, so long as it’s in line with mine” country.  Scary stuff.

  • Kunavut

    Thomas is a nutbar who i am sure will not be missed in the dressing room. He may be a good goalie but i really think the baggage that comes with him is not worth the trouble. now the bruins can stick to hockey and not have to answer for this wingnut.
    GO HABS GO!!

  • Lvlcustsupport

    not a bruins fan but a lot of respect for M Tim Thomas as a hockey player and a man. in the world we live in it’s the end of the world if you say anything bad about gay’s calling a dude a negger is ok but the gays ……already said to much don’t want to get killed by the gay mafia!!

  • Matt

    Posts on behalf of Bruins pinkhat bandwagon frauds who didn’t know who Jacobs was until they won the cup strike again! Shocker…rather go after Bobby Ryan.

  • Michael3049

    Oh thats right I have an opinion!!  Just doesn’t agree with yours.  Sorry Bro.  Christians can’t have an opinion I forgot.  What a bunch of hypocrites.  

  • Michael3049

    Oh Enough said!!

  • Smokey

    I know a gay man named Jesus, thats ironic. Christians that try shoving religion into everything is hypocritical. Read your own bible and believe every word of the fiction or you will burn

  • guest

     Thank god someone still believes in freedom of speech.

  • Guest

    Why do you self-proclaimed “Christians” always scream persecution? YOU ARE THE MAJORITY IN THIS COUNTRY. What a bunch of idiots.

  • Wildsider

    If Jesus was standing beside you would he support Gay Rights? My Jesus would. Have you changed at all in the last 20 years of your life? Obviously the answer is yes. I think it is safe to assume Jesus has changed in 2000 years. You are quoting crap written too many years ago. When he returns and gives us an updated Bible 2.0 you just may be suprised what you will find.

  • TaylorS.

    Psycho. The bible is a book of stories, full of fact, fiction, metaphor and lessons. To take it literally and say that if you read it you will not be in favour of Gay Marriage is absurd. Also, if Jesus was standing on my side he wouldn’t have a lot to say because he died 2000 years ago. I believe he was a great man, but I don’t believe that he’s coming back to make all the gay husbands and lesbian wives pay for their injustice and arrogance. I mean the audacity of these gay people being in love with eachother. I can’t believe it…

    I’m in support of people loving eachother and living their lives. Gay, straight, bi, whatever. Just as long as you’re happy and not hurting anyone else. Funny how Christians always preach about forgiveness and righteousness and they’re always the first to throw the stone. To live in fear is to not live at all.

  • Dan

    Thomas wouldn’t be saying these comments if he was a liberal, brilliant bit of thinking there, ma’am.

  • Matt

    No. I’m not against homosexuality and gay marriage because it makes me feel good to stop them from being happy and to suffer. Quite the contrary. I’m against it because I believe in the Bible, and so does Tim. It says in the Bible that if you don’t warn people in a gentle manner, to stop their sinning, you technically hate them and are not doing what you need to to “warn thy neighbor.” At that point, you’re just enabling sin, and aside from idolizing other Gods, homosexuality is the most dangerous sin to partake in, and God says in the Bible that unless those people who engage in such activities mourn for their sins and repent, they are worthy of death. I’m sure you can infer what death means…it’s Hell. And from what we’ve seen in interviews and various Facebook posts, Tim believes this. Enabling sin/wrongdoing, kind of like what Joe Pa did in not making more of an effort to contact the authorities and even meet with Sandusky and tell him to shape up, instead of letting him keep an office and keeping his mouth virtually shut. I’m not God, nor would I ever pretend to be, but from reading the Bible, one would infer that because of that, Joe Pa is probably in hell right now.

  • Steve_in_MA

    Interesting attempt at the propagation of Christian hegemony, but it isn’t valid.  I’ll skip the debate about religion for now.

    Marriage between two loving adults is an unalienable right. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that
    among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”  Authored by Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, not a Christian.  No one has any right to impose their morals, religious or otherwise, upon two loving adults to prevent their pursuit of happiness.  See, generally, Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003).

    Marriage may have originated as a religious concept, but that association has long since died in the meaningful sense.  From the time of the 16th century, the marriage concept took on true legal meaning when Nation-States began adopting “LAWS” regarding the regulation of, as well as recognition of marriage and attaching thereto legal rights. Rights affecting legal title to property, disposition/passage of estates, authorities to act on behalf of another, rights to benefits and pay earned, etc., were all affected thereby and marriage died as a religious concept, but rather became a substantive civil legal concept, as it stands today.

    As the Federal courts have universally expounded in finding the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional, with rulings issued by numerous Republican appointees, this nation is not a nation of “separate but equal.”  Civil unions are not “equal” to marriage, even when they purport to bestow the same rights as marriage.  Federal law does not recognize them as equal or bestow the same rights and privileges to each.  Hell, partners in a civil union can’t even file a joint federal tax return together.  And even if the concepts were equal in every way except name, it would still be unconstitutional to attach one name to it for gays and another for heterosexuals.  This is commanded by the “equal protection of the laws” to which each American is constitutionally entitled.

    Mere opposition to gay marriage is one thing.  I have no problem with one who merely philosophically opposes gay marriage as a purely private matter.  But advocating for the passage of laws against gay marriage is an entirely different matter.  That is an attempt to institutionalize personal bigotry, just as racism was in our nation’s sad history.  Thomas says he supports Chick-fil-A and the Cary family.  The Cary family spends millions of dollars out of the profits of Chick-fil-A to lobby for the passage of laws that attempt to outlaw gay marriage.  That is not a mere privately held belief, but rather an attempt to institutionalize their own moral code in detriment to the pursuit of happiness of others.  The rights of Thomas and the Cary family stop when they move beyond having a viewpoint and instead attempt to make their viewpoint the “law.” Its their attempt to impose their moral view on others that makes them vicious bigots, rightly subject to scorn and to vehement opposition.

    Some boring day, I will regale you with my history.

  • EZ

    That is a baseless revisionist view of
    Jefferson that the ACLU and others have adopted in order to create this hoax
    that he was a deist. By the historical record and the very definition of deism
    it is however factually wrong. Deism is a religious philosophy that centrally holds
    that there is no need for organized religion.

    The Library of Congress shows that while in
    office Jefferson faithfully attended church services with evangelical preaching
    during his two terms in the House of Representatives. Those services were held
    in the largest 19th century church in Washington DC… the Rotunda of
    the Capitol Building up until the 1880’s. One account by James H. Hutson of the
    Library of Congress recounts Jefferson riding a horse through a thunderstorm to
    get to the services and his explanation to a friend for doing so as follows: “Sir,
    no government can flourish without religion and I’m going to give religion the
    sanction of my appearance, supporting and attending church services”.

    As head of the executive branch, our 3rd
    President permitted church services in the government office buildings, the war
    office and the treasury building…in which there are accounts of a 4 hour
    communion service held there during his administration conducted by
    Presbyterian minister James Lowry. Hardly the actions and words of a man who
    did not value or recognize the value of organized religion to a society or
    government.

    While it would be fair to say from the
    historical documents he may have questioned the supernatural accounts of
    miracles in the bible he revered the moral teachings of Jesus…even going to the
    extent of Extracting passages from the account of His life from the
    doctrines given by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; as an Abridgement of the New
    Testament. He did this for his own personal use and later as an uncomplicated
    means of educating/evangelizing the native American Indians. The title of
    original1804 was, The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth The Life and he later
    produced a second edition titled Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.

    He enthusiastically described his idea it in a
    letter to John Adams, one of the most devout Christians of the dated 13 October
    1813:

     

    We must reduce our volume to the simple
    evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off
    the amphibologisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not
    understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as
    his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not
    understood themselves. There will be found remaining the most sublime and
    benevolent code of morals, which has ever been offered to man. I have performed
    this operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed
    book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily
    distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill. The result is an octavo of forty-six
    pages, of pure and unsophisticated doctrines.

     

    So let’s add it up. Jefferson valued organized
    religion and faithfully attended church services; he personally believed in and
    lived by the morals of Jesus as accounted for in the bible; and he wrote books
    on it in order to evangelize the native American Indians. So much for Jefferson
    the deist.

     

    Some boring day I will address the gay marriage
    issue.

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